Freedom of speech.
That’s something that nearly not existing in Hungary thanks to Orban Viktor. He and his goverment tries to hidden everything from people. They buy every kind of mediums in Hungary, television stations, radios, newspapers. If they can’t buy it they try to kill them with rules against them and only them.
Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/tv-channel-vows-to-stay-in-hungary-despite-ad-tax/2014/07/15/4d3ad548-0c2c-11e4-bc42-59a59e5f9e42_story.html
Financial Times: search for the terms ’Orban’. You have to register.
New World Order?
Even Lajos Kosa, prominent member of the current goverment had problems with a new system which will be developed and installed in our whole country to check out highway tickets. The new system will be installed everywhere it can works as a machine that recognizes if you go faster then it is allowed. But it will be a dinamic and online system which will take datas about your license plate so everybody could be followed all over the country.
For us, supporters it means you can’t get into the city without they recognize you. Imagine that Rijeka fans coming to Hungary. They only checks out Croatian license plates and will know where are you and how much of you coming.
Quote from Lajos Kosa: „I have a different problem with it (the new system)… because if I want I could operate it like I could follow all kind of vehicles in real time. And then there is only one thing left: have a television which would be forbidden to turn off and then it would watch my home…”
Football business
Well, that’s the point where you can see where dictatorship ends. Average attendances in Hungary is within 2600 – 2800 for the whole league (Ferencvaros leads with 9100). That’s not a number which could produce any kind of profit or interest of investors. But somehow millions and billions invested into hungarian football. You could say, what’s your problem with that? First of all it is my MONEY, it is money from tax, billions invested into football from Hungary’s budget. Second thing is, it is not helping. Last year we had no teams in international compatitions in August!
First of all. Our teams really needed new stadiums that’s no question. Ferencvaros and Debrecen deserved it. But so far Hungary has much bigger problems, but currently millions are invested into stadiums, not just into one or two but many more. Don’t forger we are speaking about a country with high debts and millions of poor people who lives from day to day.
For example for the new national stadium they are planning to spend 35 millions euro. Yesterday goverment just said they have to cut the budget with 35 million to keep our budget under the deficit which were accepted by us and the European Union. I’m don’t have finance studies but the essence is that.
So far billions invested into shitty football. Don’t sounds like a dictatorship. There is a village where our president lives with his family (and his friend who became one of the wealthiest man within 4 years. oh before I forget he was a plumber). There is a first league football team, the Puskás Academy. It is a very interesting team, if you consider the fact that it has nothing to do with Puskas Ferenc.
Puskas Ferenc played in Kispest and he is still the most popular for ultras of Kispest (first ultra sin Hungary, from 1991). They have a banner which is older then ’Puskas Academy’. Says Puskas, Kispest, Hungary.
Banner in the middle
Not enough that the this team of our president stole or bought (both shameful) but everything, all the relics of Puskas was placed int hat village(population of 1800 ppl). So Ultras Kispest made a bigger version of this flag against Puskas Academy to protest against this stole.
The part of ’Puskas’ was forbidden to put out because the Academy didn’t allow to use Puskas’ name in their stadium. Kispest fans, who are bringing Puskas’ name to everywhere in Hungary for many years were not allowed to use their OWN hero’s name.
Diosgyor and many more hungarian clubs standed for Kispest supporters.
That was just a little story, so we have the Puskas Academy, in the village where our president lives. So from our tax MONEY they build a stadium here.
It was built from 3,8 billions forint. The club is one year old or less. The stadium has 3800 seats, the village has 1800 population. The club which plays here named after Puskas Ferenc who has nothing to do with this club or place, the stadium was named as Pancho Arena, which was Puskas’ nickname in Real Madrid, it spanish. What else? Aww, didn’t mention? It was built in the plot owned by President Orban himself. Surprise.
Sugar daddies
What’s the business here? Anybody could ask. Hungarians teams don’t produce any kind of profit, only from investments. But why would anybody invest to them? Because they are forced. Oligarchs with billions are have to invest into football. Almost every team influanced by current politics. Ferencvaros was taken by Kubatov (member of current goverment, friend of Orban Viktor). Diosgyor has a sugar daddy, Leisztinger. Debrecen’s owner just won the right to open CASINOS which is forbidden for everbody else. After goverment kicked out the owner of Nyíregyháza, a sugar daddy just showed up and spent billions. Videoton, Paks, etc. all influenced by goverment.
Let me talk about Diosgyor, I think they are the best in Hungary or very near to Ferencvaros. They have the highest number of supporters. Sounds like worth to invest into, right?
Quotes from Leisztinger, owner of Diosgyor: „There is no business. So far I have a contract about giving a monthly present to the club. There are many ways to take care of society and it is one way. Question is, does it worth to do when you don’t have supporters?” (http://www.nemzetisport.hu/labdarugo_nb_i/leisztinger-havi-ajandekozasi-szerzodesem-van-a-dvtk-val-2204207)
„I had a speak with Mr. Csányi (president of hungarian football league, also richest person of hungary who were never involved in football before he was forced to do it, he was a banker) and he convince me very fast about it. That thing with supporters and the atmosphere… I would say it was accidental. I didn’t expect it, I didn’t have a clue about it…” (http://www.csakfoci.hu/node/102571)
Investing billions into a team he didn’t know about after a little speak with head of MLSZ. Very professional from one of the richest and best business man of Hungary.
Why would anybody do that?
First of all, because of connections. Don’t think that UEFA and FIFA don’t sees it.
Orban was asked to give an award for FIFA, he has a close relationship with both presidents of FIFA and UEFA.
Who is on that picture? Merkel, Putin, Orban (president of Hungary) and Johnny Depp? Nope, son of Orban with leaders of countries.
Second time. They fear the power of supporters. We are always against the current authrities and against the last goverment people showed their anger and hooligans were int he first rows. When people attacked in the protest in Hungary, hooligans led the attacks. It is our heritage. Lads of Budapest were the synonym of hooligans int he communist era of Hungary. Those young lads were fighting with the regime and died for their country. Ferencvaros was a center of ’56 and many of them was a supporter of Ferencvaros.
Let’s speak about Ferencvaros
Who is Kubatov Gabor?
He has been chairman of the District XXIII of Budapest Fidesz branch since 2002. He has been party director of Fidesz since July 1, 2006.In the parliamentary elections held in 2006, he was elected from the Budapest Regional List. He was member of the Committee on Culture and the Media since October 9, 2006 to May 13, 2010. He also secured a mandate from the party's Budapest Regional List during the 2010 parliamentary election. He is a member of the Committee on Human Rights, Minority, Civic and Religious Affairs since May 30, 2006.
Kubatov served as campaign executive of the party during the Hungarian fees abolishment referendum in 2008 and the 2009 European Parliament election in Hungary. He is the current President of the Ferencvárosi TC.
In two audio recordings (disclosed in 2010) and in a video (disclosed in 2012) Kubatov speaks about creating and managing a list containing data on the party preference of voters. Fidesz allegedly uses this list to activate its voters. Additionally, in the video Kubatov instructs Fidesz-activists to break the campaign silence period to send lazy sympathizers to vote.
I could mention many things about him. Sold out the Ferencvaros stadium which was called after Albert Florian, legend of Ferencvaros and Hungary now called as Groupama Arena. He is a ’good’ sodier of current power and he is the mastermind of listing hungarian people and he does the same with Ferencvaros fanatics.
How important for him the real supporters?
There is such a thing that called FradiBusz. First of all you have to understand that Ferencvaros is the most popular team in Hungary, there is around 1,5 million sympatizer of them. Every away stand is full with them. Many people go to home games from every part of Hungary and from Slovakia, Romania and Serbia.
So a supporter of Ferencvaros made a system of small bus companies which brings people to Budapest for Ferencvaros games. They can travel with other Ferencvaros fans and it is very cheap to do. Many groups are forming from these travels and a new base of ultras started. It is also very good for Ferencvaros management, supporters buy tickets and spend money on stuff.
As the founder of system against the new card system he asked a couple questions from the president. Kubatov considered the whole system as a ’not serious’ initiative so FradiBusz is boycotting with at least 1000 supporters who travels with that way and one of the most succesful things, the FradiBusz is currently not working.
There are many things, missing sponsor moneys, interesting contracts, debts payed by government and so on.
Fradi Security
It is a big money to defend such a club. It is not just a couple hours work for every week, they have to take care of every away game because hundreds are going on aways. Who are they? Criminals, bouncers, ex-hooligans and ex-cops. Scum of the night life for sure.
Don’t forget with the new system you will give your personal datas, address, eye and vein scans to criminals, killers.
Some example of them.
"Those whores can only protest and can’t fight." (About fans they must protect and who supported the club for decades.)
Prison of Vác, comment: I were there too. Fantastic.
Another story:
The comment: „I’m writing from my son’s profile to you president of Ferencvaros, please answer me why does Ferencvaros employ a killer, called Bogdán Ádám Ferenc? He killed my brother ont he Hajógyári Island. I would like you to kick him out. Please answer me!”
Killer working as Ferencvaros security. Of course the comment was deleted by Kubatov.
Secret picture. In the last derby an older Ujpest fan spoke about the past of the leader of Fradi Security. They were bring out of the fans and beaten by Fradi Security.
Ferenc Sz.
Well known ex-hooligan and leader of Fradi Security. Also was in jail for 10 years, guess why. Because he killed a man. Gun to his head and execution.
Don’t forget that that man will have every datas of you.
He got a personal message, he poster an ironic text about it. „In the past when I was a school boy, sometimes teachers came to our home. That was called FAMILY VISITS. It was in the past, maybe not even true.” Family visits, from a killer.
Liberal youth occupied the head office of current goverment, FIDESZ. They didn’t use any force just went into and didn’t want to leave. In western countries it is not a big deal and not so in Hungary. So Orban didn’t send the police. But called his friend, Kubatov who send the FRADI SECURITY to defend and clean the head office of CURRENT GOVERMENT. Killers bringing out university student with force.
New system, new stadium.
What is exactly the vein scanner and how does it work?
Fujitsu’s offical developers the BioSec Group made the new system (hardware and software) which identifies a person within one second by a secondary authentication. For example, the system comparing the datas collected by the scanner with datas collected and stored on your supporters card. In fact every human being has unique veins in their hands which served instead of a PIN code. The new solution is storing this information in a database, andthe system compares the information obtained by the scan. Thus, if the solution becomes widespread, even the palms can also serve as an identification document. As the datas are coming from the living human body it is impossible to scam this system.
BioSec’s service package for physical access control include the planning, installation and maintenance of electronic and mechanic systems, as well as the consulting services. The BS GateKeeper physical access control system (Palm Secure vein base biometric technology) combines the world's most developed vein template algorithm with speed, user convenience and highest security. The vein sensor represents the latest biometric technology, due to the fact that the vein template is an inner „ID”, therefore, it cannot be reproduced, copied or faked. The Common Criteria Certificate, which is the highest classification in the field of IT security underlines the above mentioned.
Using BS GateKeeper instead of cards, PIN codes, your hand becomes the key, what you carry always with you. You can identify yourself with your hand and open doors.
Security in Malta
Short story, they were sent out unofficially abused and attacked Ferencvaros supporters and took off banners about protest against current management and new system.
Rijeka
530 tickets were sent to Budapest, you could only buy by registration card. Real ultras and hooligans didn't register but they have many connection with croats. So a croatian friend called Rijeka management if they are going to sell tickets in Rijeka. They told them that Rijeka will sell tickets for away sector (why not? it is a LOT OF MONEY), they have 500 tickets more. So the first 500 tickets were sold in Budapest and on match day when fans without tickets were in Croatia, president of Ferencvaros asked for the rest of away tickets, so nobody could buy it in Croatia.
When Rijeka knew about that there are 300 fans without tickets, they wanted to sell the tickets because they were not sold in Budapest, but president of Ferencvaros did not allow. Also many datas of Ferencvaros supporters were given to Croatian Security and police. 300 people were at the stadium. Fradi Security is checking the supporters cards if your number is not correct they bring you to police who arrests you.
Prostest
What should I say. Corrupted politics obsessed with power. Dogs of goverment taking over our clubs. Never seen strict rules and eye and vein scanner. It is a deep shit. But Ultras of Ferencvaros won’t register, won’t give up their fight. If you think such things won’t happen with you just think about it. There is a country where everything can be done, there is a prime minister who is a very close friend of FIFA and UEFA presidents and one of the most radical football supporters are having a new security system which was never built before.
I wouldn’t be surprised if YOUR club would be the next. Fuck Modern Football, Fuck Kubatov! Suppoters without privacy!
COMMENTS and MORE info here :
http://z6.invisionfree.com/UltrasTifosi/index.php?showtopic=30216
I wouldn’t be surprised if YOUR club would be the next. Fuck Modern Football, Fuck Kubatov! Suppoters without privacy!
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Újpestiek hetekkel ezelőtt voltak Fiumébe ,ha már ott voltak pár üzenetet felfújtak ,a stadion melletti részekhez .
Sziva Balázs (Romantikus Erőszak) :
Hazaértünk. Ezen a fiumei túrán ismét megtapasztalhattuk, hogy a jelenlegi Fradi vezetés ellenségnek tekinti azokat a szurkolókat, akik nemet mondanak a szkenneres "szép új világra". A horvát rendőrök, nyilván hazai megrendelésre, 20 kilóméterre a stadiontól feltartóztattak több száz drukkert, később viperával támadtak az emberekre és könnygázt fújtak a buszunkba.
Fradimob : 16 éves szurkolónk Fiumében
Fradimob : 16 éves szurkolónk Fiumében
Rijeka –Ferencváros. A Ferencváros szurkolóinak megalázása!
Mikor kiderült, egy félig amatőr csapatot nagy nehézségek árán legyőzve továbbjutottunk az Európa Liga 2.selejtező körébe elkezdtük szervezni a Fiumei utazásunkat nagy örömmel, bár jegyhez sajnálatos módon nekünk sem sikerült hozzájutnunk, ugyanis a Clubunk ideiglenes elnökének és kommunikációjának jóvoltából ismételten félre lettünk vezetve. Mivel azt a tájékoztatást kaptuk ,hogy az első napon mikor a jegyeket meg lehet vásárolni ,csak az új scenneres szurkolók tudnak jegyet vásárolni,ezért másnap hajnalban terveztünk beállni a sorba, de valamilyen csoda folytán, ismételten 20 perc alatt elfogytak a nekünk szánt (530 db) jegyek, melyek mint később kiderült nem csak vénascenneres barátaink vásároltak meg, hanem a Club név nélkül tett félre több szurkolónk állítása szerint is tucatszámra jegyeket.
Mindezek ellenére úgy döntöttünk, hogy nekivágunk az útnak, megpróbálunk majd a helyszínen jegyet szerezni , bejutni szeretett Clubunk meccsére és biztatni a Ferencváros mezébe bújtatott játékosokat, abban a tudatban is hogy ha mégsem sikerülni a helyszínen jegyet vásároljunk , akkor a Clubunk számára kialakított szurkolói zónában tartózkódva a meccs végeztével hazatérünk.
Indulásunk 17-én éjszaka 1:00-kor történt Budapestről, és a táv rövidsége miatt már ¼ 7-kor már Fiumétől a 30km-re fekvő Dramalj településén élveztük a tengerparti napfelkeltét sok más korábban leérkezett vidám és fáradt szurkolótársunk jelenlétében. Egy reggeli , kávé és ismerkedés a helyi bárokkal majd a tenger vizének kiélvezése után egy óriási buliba csapott bele az addigra már igen nagyra duzzadt Fradi tábor, amit Dramalja korábban még nem igazán láthatott. Egy igazán jó hangulatban lévő, társaság indult útnak 18:00-kor 5 nagy legalább 5 kisbusszal és a konvojba csatlakozott még legalább 50 autóval Fiume városába.
Közel 1 órás 25km/órás zötykölődést követően a horvát rendőrök teljesen más útvonalon egy számunkra ismeretlen részre vezették a konvojunkat, ami mint később kiderült , az ő készenléti rendőrségük központja, és a stadiontól 18km-re van, ahol megállítottak Bennünket. Először csak az az információ kezdett el terjengeni ,hogy akiknek nincs jegye azokat a meccs végéig „elzárva” tartják , a rendőrség udvarán. Mivel senkit nem hagyunk hátra, ezért hiába volt a konvojba sokunknak jegye , úgy döntöttünk addig nem megyünk sehova , amíg bajtársainkat el nem engedik a rendőrök , ők meg kijelentették,hogy elengednek mindenkit, ha és amennyiben mindannyian elhagyjuk az országot és nem akarunk bejutni a stadion területére. Személyesen meg is kérdeztünk egy helyi készenlétist, hogy mivel nekünk jegyünk nincs elmehetnénk ,vagy várnunk kell mire közölte, hogy ez demokrácia és szabad ország nyugodtan menjünk ha szeretnénk. Addig azonban amíg a többiek egy kerítésen belül voltak elzárva addig senki nem indult el. Fél 9-re másfél óra várakozás után a meccs kezdetének idejére jutottunk el odáig, hogy mindenki beletörődve abba ,hogy hiába utaztunk 500km-t valamilyen oknál fogva még a stadion terültét sem közelíthetjük meg , mindenki visszaszállt a buszokba, autókba és indulásra várva várakoztunk. Nem telt el 5 perc mire az előttünk lévő buszra egyszer minden ok nélkül a készenlétisek befújták a már jól ismert paprika sprayt amivel pillanatok alatt minden a feje tetejére állt, és annyi rendőr jelent meg, gumibotokkal,viperákkal és egy számunkra is új sokkoló pisztollyal amikkel válogatás nélkül ütöttek vágtak mindenkit akit értek és mozogni láttak , hogy kezdett egyre nyilvánosabbá válni ,hogy ez valamilyen szándékos mesterkélt balhé amit szándékosan robbantottak ki. Kb. 1 perccel később egyik szurkolótársunk akit nem sokkal korábban löttek lábon a sokkoló pisztolyukkal, és ütötték rohant hátrafele ,hogy a mögöttünk lévő buszba beszálljon ,de pont az autónk mögött rendőrsorfal várta, és az utolsó pillanatban sikerült berántanunk őt az amúgy már fullon (5fő) lévő autónkba. Ekkor még csak annyi derült ki ,hogy ő azért kapta 1 perccel korábban az ütéseket és sokkoló lövedéket, mert a lábán egy A.C.A.B feliratú tetoválás volt. Ezt konkrétan a rendőr jelezte nekünk is, mikor megállt az autónk mellett és elkezdtett valami embertelen hangon üvölteni,hogy A.C.A.B ? A.C.A.B ?! Még szerencse ,hogy gyors volt a reakciónk, mert szerencsétlent valószínű most valami horvát rabkorházban ápolnák. Szerencse is ,mivel így vált teljesen világossá a kép ,hogy ez a balhé nem a Ferencváros szurkolóinak köszönhető, hanem ezért csak is kizárólag a Ferencváros vezetősége tehető felelőssé. Hogy miért? Nevezzük Istvánnak szurkolótársunkat, aki elmesélte a 250 km alatt amit jelentős rendőri kíséret mellett tettünk meg, igen hosszú idő alatt hogy az ő buszuk (Fradibusz) reggel 6 órakor indult a Lurdyháztól 50 fővel. Az 50 emberből 2 ember rendelkezett meccsjeggyel. A buszt a határon már fogadta a horvát rendőrség, akik nagyon segítőkésznek bizonyultak velük szemben, és azt az ígéretet kapták, hogy Dramaljba a tábor gyülekező helyére vezetik őket. Ez sajnos hatalmas átverésnek bizonyult, ugyanis ők voltak az „elzárt” bajtársak, a 18 km-re a stadiontól lévő készenléti rendőrség udvarán töltötték a nap nagyrészét, egészen pontosan 13:00 órától 20:30ig amíg a konvoj el nem indult haza. István barátunk az út során elmesélte ,hogy ez időszak alatt folyamatosan vegzálták őket a horvát rendőrök, ő többször is kapott az A.C.A.B feliratú tetoválása miatt , valamint étlen szomjan várakoztak , mindössze a velük a buszon utazó lányt engedték ,hogy a rendőrség épületéből vizet vigyen a kint várakozó bajtársaiknak.
A horvát határig (250 km) közel 4 óra alatt jutottunk el, István barátunkkal a fedélzeten egy 5 személyes autóban, hat fővel utazva , a táv nagy részét 40-50 km/órás tempóban végig zötykölődve, mire egy óvatlan pillanatban sikerült kivágnom a konvojból , és a szó legszorosabb értelmében menekültünk haza Horvátországból, úgy hogy az üzemanyag az autónkból vészesen fogyott , és tudtuk ha megállunk horvát oldalon tankolni ,akkor gumibotot kapunk ajándékba.
Pedig csak szurkolni akartunk a csapatunknak, és ezért sokunk két nap szabadságot/betegszabadságot vett ki. Hogy mindezért ki tehető felelőssé? Ki vagy kik miatt nem tudott a sok kiutazó szurkolótársunk eljutni a Rijeka stadionjához, hogy a szurkolóknak felajánlott jegyeket megvásárolhassuk ,ami később meg lett tiltva ,hogy értékesítsék mindenki döntse el maga.Hogy ki a felelős azért ,hogy a horvát rendőröknek a kezükben a szurkolóink régi (nem scenneres) szurkolói kártyáinak másolata volt a kezébe szintén érdekes kérdést boncolgat.
Egy biztos, a tegnapi napon valami nagyon eltört nagyon sok szurkolótársunknál, amit láttam személy szerint a szemükben az egy mérhetetlen csalódás , megalázottság amit egy Ferencvárosnak nevezett Clubtól kaptunk cserébe. Mindezt úgy ,hogy nagyon fontos kihangysúlyozni, hogy NEM VOLT SEMMI ERRE OKOT ADÓ CSELEKMÉNY, A KONVOJ TAGJAI NEM ÜLTEK FEL SEMMILYEN JELLEGŰ SZÁNDÉKOS PROVOKÁCIÓNAK , AMIT A horvát rendőröktől KAPTUNK MÁSFÉL ÓRÁN KERESZTÜL. Minden csendben állt végig , és várta hogy elindulhassunk haza vagy a szurkolói zónába.
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